Indeed, I have never met a shipmate would ever claim otherwise. The next six years passed with regular naval detentions, ( Royal Naval Detention Quarters RNDQs Portsmouth) exhausting punishments, solitary confinements, ending with a twelve month sentence in the infamous HMP Corradino, Malta. Jim Gitsham, chairman of the Shotley branch of the HMS Ganges Association, said: "Members will be delighted that he's going down. Mr Davis added: They have had the last conditions, including the fire hydrants agreed. We were ushered in as a group of naked boys and told to wash thoroughly. Researched and compiled by A. S. Grimmer (Solent Division) who sadly crossed the bar 6th January 2007. joined in '63 Dreadnought in the Annexe and Duncan in main camp, Went swimming at Vincent before colling-grad got its pool, and sailing if my memory is not totally shot, I sometimes considered climbing to the top of the mast a tossing myself off. We were ordered to turn around and bend over, if the instructor was satisfied we were clean, we were allowed out. Allegations of Abuse. I took a bowl and ate the lot. HMS Ganges was the name given to several Royal Navy ships from 1779 onwards, but in 1905 it was chosen for a new training base at Shotley Gate, near Ipswich, where about 500 boy recruits were. Shotley Marina, Shotley Gate, Ipswich, IP9 1QJ. and I got seven days 9s. The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. HMS Ganges had a reputation for its harsh discipline. LRO (G) Served from 1975 - 1998 Served in HMS Ganges. The showers at Ganges were just one bare room with several shower heads, no privacy. MT2 Served from 1965 - 2021 Served in HMS Ganges. 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There was a way to bypass it for cowards like me, but God help you if you tried using it. HMS Ganges 2 in the harbour put all boys ashore and was then used as Naval Operations Ship, Harwich. (LogOut/ There's something to be said for finding how finding out how good you are at living with other people, and finding respect for yourself. HMS Ganges is a little bit different though, because they have to get the spine road in first and do some prep work. It was easy to spot those who had been here the longest. However, for most of us boys, qualifying meant we could wear the Bosuns chain with our uniform instead of a lanyard. HMS Ganges Museum is dedicated to the 160,000 boys who went through the gates as boys and marched out as men, from its inception as a Royal Navy Training Establishment in 1905 to its closure in 1976. It was as we crossed the parade ground the whole bunch of us suddenly froze and spun to face a huge aircraft-hanger-of-a-building running along its length. Welcome to Forces Reunited the place where you can find information and friends from HMS Ganges. Ganges will for ever be the legacy of every young boy who passed through those distant gates to emerge as a sailor and a man. She was based alternately in Falmouth, Harwich (from 1899) and Shotley (from 1905). Today lots of those instructors (JIs and Badgeboys included) would be in front of the beak for various abuses, harassment and bullying. Was anything in this navy free from fear? Roe told me "I don't like you." Thanks again, D. R. WALTON the only O.E.M. By creating an account you agree to us emailing you with newsletters and discounts, which you can switch off in your account at any time. We were ushered in as a group of naked boys and told to wash thoroughly. Boys were permitted to march through the streets of Ipswich with bayonets fixed. I wondered, sewing, perhaps! Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. attempted to climb to the top of the mast, Harry and Meghan told to 'vacate' Frogmore Cottage, Explosive found in check-in luggage at US airport, Fungus case forces Jack Daniels to halt construction, Aboriginal spears taken in 1770 to return to Sydney, China and Belarus call for peace in Ukraine, Rare Jurassic-era bug found at Arkansas Walmart. A historic Grade II listed former Royal Navy training mast has been taken down ahead of restoration work. Such a tragedy that this historical place has been left to rot. Within ten minutes, a second pair of gates appeared, the gates of the real HMS Ganges. Observer career path/ real life experience. Posted on February 5, 2019 by irishroverpei. Babergh District councillor Ganges, Derek Davis, said: From my own personal perspective I have seen how closely our officers and our planning team have worked with the owners of the site and I can imagine that once the lockdown is over and the guys get started, progress will be made very quickly. I was so fearful of that oncoming event I was becoming a nervous wreck, each night reading the next day's daily orders, wondering if tomorrow would be the day I crapped my pants in public. Down the road we proudly thundered, the first time any of us had seen the outside words since the day of our arrival. Yes indeed, they were the best of times and the worst of times. Early in 1940 Admiralty decided to close Ganges as a Boys Training Establishment and in April it became a Hostilities Only Training Establishment. I allowed my head to tilt backward, sending my gaze to the very top, to the lightning conductor where the Button Boy stood on ceremonial occasions. He was the officer that tested us when we endeavoured to qualify with a bosuns pipe. HMS Ganges in Shotley Gate, Suffolk, was a land-based training centre for recruits between 1905 and 1976. At about 60 feet was the Devil's Elbow, the most dangerous and frightening part. Many spars are believed to have come from this ship too. I recall watching a boy, who had been thrown in the deep end of the swimming pool, struggling in the water while a sadistic instructor smiled, saying, 'Look what happens if you can't bloody well swim?' It was a facade hiding unknown treasures unknown tricks for us to perform, the first of which was to mark our kit with our names. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS, The Duke of Edinburgh visiting HMS Ganges in June 1973 Picture: ARCHANT. 10/01/36- 08/02/36 HMS Pembroke. Change), You are commenting using your Facebook account. ', and he replied that it was the first time he had a warm bed, three hot meals a day, and a roof over his head that didn't leak. His early life was hard by any standards. Frederick "Ben" Rodgers author of "Lily & Me", "The Royal Navy & Me" and collector of Rover automobiles, Review from Newfoundland CraigChurchill. I had already taught myself to swim. Registered in England & Wales | 01676637 |. This gallery has been set up as a home for images that have not so far been added to the Museums Official Website https://www.hmsgangesmuseum.com/ He went on to be an SD subby. The mast has been a local landmark since it was erected a century ago this year at the end of the Shotley peninsular. I was sent to the training Ship HMS Ganges a cruel harsh 12 months lay ahead of me and thousands of other boys. The rest of the class were not pleased to suffer because of one boys stupidity and sometimes made a cruel point of letting the culprit know. However, in the meantime we were still at the mercy of our instructors. Our abuse contact API returns data containing information belonging to the abuse contact of every IP address on the Internet. The only thing I can remember of that awesome night, apart from collecting a kit bag and filling it to capacity with kit, was sobbing myself to sleep and that I ate the biggest meal I'd ever eaten in my entire 15 years of life. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS, Aerial artist's impression of one of the green spaces earmarked for the former HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. I was ordered to report for my test one evening after supper. HP10 9TY. Read about our approach to external linking. Yes, I got it wrong! HMS Ganges being broken up after training was transferred to the land base at Shotley (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). She was based alternately in Falmouth, Harwich (from 1899) and Shotley (from 1905). Life at Ganges was recalled recently in The Evening Star when a book about the base by Alan Peck was published. In attendance was a senior officer, medical officer and the master at arms. Ken said: It was a dreadful winter. HMS Ganges as a training ship in the 1900s, HMS Ganges being broken up after training was transferred to the land base at Shotley, The boys climbed the mast whenever the base received high-status visitors, and as part of their training, The sailors in training doing exercises outside the gym, The honours board from the HMS Ganges, showing the victories of all the Royal Navy ships bearing the name. contact the editor here. and for those of you who served at ganges and who have't joined the association go on..nothing to lose and you'll find a lot of old shipmates there!! http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/hms-ganges-swimming-pool-shotley-may-2015.t96792, Anniversary Toast - HMS RALEIGH 25th Oct 2009, Telegraph: "Captain Peter Grindal Obituary", Future Ford vehicles could repossess themselves, 10 myths told by Covid 'experts' now debunked. For breakfast porridge was on offer, that salt-coated gruel I'd been forced to eat every morning of my schoolboy days. It is important that we continue to promote these adverts as our local businesses need as much support as possible during these challenging times. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. He deserted on numerous occasions and willfully disobeyed orders . Not to the required half-moon, but to the first platform, where, when authoritative eyes were averted, I dashed to the other side and climbed back down.. Some boys were home sick, some just tried to stay out of trouble, one or two ran away. In 1905 when the Ganges vessel was finally retired (and towed away to Chatham), the training facility, still named HMS Ganges, moved ashore. First the older of the two, Maurice WRIGHT JX 657902. During Ganges's time in Cornwall allegations of harsh and brutal treatment were reported to the Admiralty.One wardroom steward shot himself over the matter, and the reports aroused indignation in the local community. I was out of there in an instant, but never said a word to anyone, I was just happy it was over and I had qualified. The test consisted of two lengths of the pool while wearing a boiler suit, then floating for five minutes. A Gannett Company. Contents 1 Foundation and early history 1.1 Allegations of abuse 2 Ganges at Harwich 3 Ganges at Shotley 3.1 1906 changes 3.2 Later developments 3.3 First World War 3.4 Post war developments 3.5 Ganges in the Second World War 3.6 Postwar and closure 4 References 5 External links We caught up with Jim Dines, Director of TS Rigging, whose team. Steve Tarr. Now i know why! Learn how your comment data is processed. One person found this helpful. 1914. From the annexe, I had sometimes seen it, partly hidden by snowy skies as it towered above the buildings, and it looked frightening then, but now, marching beneath its cobweb rigging, it looked truly awesome. Today in Naval History - Naval / Maritime Events in History 13 March 1653 - Death of Simon de Vlieger (c. 1601, Rotterdam - buried 13 March 1653, Weesp) Simon de Vlieger (c. 1601, Rotterdam - buried 13 March 1653, Weesp) was a Dutch designer, draughtsman, and painter, most famous for. Looking pretty in candy-striped pyjama bottoms and naked chests, we were ordered across the parade ground, through the snow and ice, to the 'heads', that grown-up potty land, which had neither doors nor partitions around the bowls for privacy, to partake in our morning ablutions, a most embarrassing experience. On the parade ground the order went something like On the command fix! The left hand went behind the cheek of your left buttock and twisted the bayonet and scabbard upward. Download Citation | On Feb 1, 2023, Olivier Champagne and others published Future change in amplitude and timing of high-flow events in a Canadian subarctic watershed | Find, read and cite all the . Newsquest Media Group Ltd, Loudwater Mill, Station Road, High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire. GANGES; the ship had previously anchored out in the harbour below, at Shotley Gate, on the east coast opposite Harwich. It had to be neatly folded and stacked, each item one above the other, with each item measuring exactly nine inches wide and one inch flat. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on 16 June 2021 . The previous evening I'd arrived at HMS Ganges training annexe, with an assortment of other would-be-sailors, and was placed in the capable hands of a spotty-faced junior instructor and a bullet-proof gunnery instructor who wore crossed guns on both lapels. Attempts have been made to contact developers Haylink Ltd but have been unsucessfull. I knew only when it was over would I then be able to call myself a true Ganges Boy and, some years later, a real sailor. From it came bloodcurdling cries of command, so frightening that I most surely would have obeyed them myself, if had I understood what they meant. Write to Dave Kindred, Kindred Spirits, Evening Star, 30 Lower Brook Street, Ipswich IP4 1AN. Sad to see such an establishment close as it was so full of history and meant so much to so many. Even if it amazingly stayed put, as soon as I slammed the rifle onto the parade ground off it popped again. Were you a 'button boy'? Shotly Jan 7 1967 , 4 weeks in the annex, 11months in the main establishment,left the RN after 26 years, as C.C.MEA(P) and you could tell Ganges trained men a mile off, Regrets not a bit.Sorry for the lad in my class that drank a pint of pussers disinfectant (The black stuff that turned white when you added water) I believe he got his Discharge. Below are just some of our members who have served at HMS Ganges. The noise was excruciating. There was a seamanship officer at the boat sheds. Read about our approach to external linking. Several tales about bullying and the harsh regime generally, not so much about the famous and frequent official canings. She remained in service at RNTE Shotley until October 1976. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS (Image: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS). Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS (Image: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS). The pipe (whistle) was used aboard ship for passing orders and instructions. During the third disastrous week, it spent so much time on the deck I thought I might as well leave it there! Newsquest Media Group Ltd, Loudwater Mill, Station Road, High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire. Sadists most of them and that's from a 15 year old who was in a council care home before he joined, streetwise to fcuk and kept my head down. First Royal Navy ship to visit Eire, post independence? Roger Jones, chairman at the HMS Ganges Museum said: "HMS Ganges was originally a ship of the wooden wall, launched in 1821. 2023 BBC. 'Letters back to front, remember!' St George IOM Boys training 3/5/45 Christmas leave 45 took all kit and returned to Ipswich station, then by the ubiquitous 3 ton Bedford to Shotley where we reopened HMS Ganges as a boys establishment. October, new Shore Establishment created and commissioned as Royal Navy Training Establishment, Shotley. On the remainder of the command 'Bayonets' the left hand pulled the bayonet from the scabbard, placed it on the barrel of the rifle and, with a quick twist of the wrist, secured it in place. The boy was made lower his trousers, but kept is underpants on, he was made to bend over a chair. . GANGES was the shore training establishment for boy entrants into the Royal Navy from 1905 until 1976. ( Royal Naval Detention Quarters RNDQs Portsmouth), Listen to No Flowers for Geordie on SoundCloud. Were you at HMS Ganges? Thus was the nature of Ganges harsh training regime. This site uses cookies. It had been HO (Hostilities-only) traing during the war. It may not display this or other websites correctly. This website and associated newspapers adhere to the Independent Press Standards Organisation's It would not be an exaggeration to say not one of us had the slightest idea of what lay in store for the next year. He would lay on the number of cuts prescribed, each cut raised a welt on the boys buttocks. Among his many punishments, he suffered cuts, a particularly brutal form of Naval punishment. Charles Dickens might have penned it the best of times and the worst of times. My DO was so unforgetable I can't remember his name, but he ponced around with his handky up his sleeve and a curled lip. The skipper was HS McKenzie who went FOSM. 1927. It closed in 1998 or something. Rumour had it many years ago a boy did fall, bouncing off the safety net and through the Post Office roof. Harry and Meghan told to 'vacate' Frogmore Cottage, Explosive found in check-in luggage at US airport, Fungus case forces Jack Daniels to halt construction, Rare Jurassic-era bug found at Arkansas Walmart, China and Belarus call for peace in Ukraine. Standing at 143ft, the mast is made up of three main parts; the main 75ft mast came from HMS Cordelia, a steam corvette built in Portsmouth, the top mast of 47.5 ft wooden ruffle box from HMS Agincourt, which was renamed HMS Boscawen, and then Ganges II. She was the last wooden wall ship to be a flagship, and the last to sail around cape horn unassisted. We are the largest and fastest growing community of UK forces veterans on the web with over 500,000 members! "Most of what was on the site went to the naval museum in Portsmouth, but we have the honours board and figurehead from the original ship. The Royal Naval Training Establishment Shotley (known within the Royal Navy as HMS Ganges) was established in southern Suffolk in 1905. Im here as my Son (15) wants to join the RN - Wellbeck route AIB soon. Create a free website or blog at WordPress.com. Mr Jones also offered reassurance around the historic mast, despite fears about its dilapidated state. Royal Navy 238217 Boy 2nd Class HMS Ganges II. There was one hell to come, the Ganges mast! Click here to remove banner ads from this forum. 1903. If you have a complaint about the editorial content which relates to Aerial artist's impression of one of the green spaces earmarked for the former HMS. The HMS Ganges training base, which opened in 1905, closed in 1976 and has remained derelict. Editors' Code of Practice. A question of Religion?Maybe MaybeNot???? We had no one to confide in, our instructors would more than likely told us not to tell tales. While I probably believed the stories, I was still determined to quality for my chain. Engineer commander had been on Amethyst up the Yangtse and was quite sympathetic when he was OOD. 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